StarCon
- SierraDude81
- Sierra Lover
- Posts: 82
- Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:21 am
- Location: Rockledge, FL
- Gender: Male
- Location: Melbourne/Viera, Florida
- Contact:
StarCon
Here's a topic I brought up on The Virtual Broomcloset (And also possibly here!) back in 'the day'....I figured what the heck...
In the intro to Space Quest 6, Toolman mentions that Roger is being returned to his "former post with StarCon fleet". Was that a retcon meant to imply that Roger was always with StarCon, and perhaps that the Arcada and Xenon orbital station were vessels of the Confederacy?
Or could it be that Roger's former organization evolved into or was taken over by StarCon at some point?
After all, We have no idea how long Roger was frozen for the end of SQ2..
In the intro to Space Quest 6, Toolman mentions that Roger is being returned to his "former post with StarCon fleet". Was that a retcon meant to imply that Roger was always with StarCon, and perhaps that the Arcada and Xenon orbital station were vessels of the Confederacy?
Or could it be that Roger's former organization evolved into or was taken over by StarCon at some point?
After all, We have no idea how long Roger was frozen for the end of SQ2..
The Procestuousity begins here!
- Tawmis
- Grand Poobah's Servant
- Posts: 20647
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:19 am
- Gender: Not Specified
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I hadn't given it much thought.SierraDude81 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:31 am In the intro to Space Quest 6, Toolman mentions that Roger is being returned to his "former post with StarCon fleet". Was that a retcon meant to imply that Roger was always with StarCon, and perhaps that the Arcada and Xenon orbital station were vessels of the Confederacy?
Or could it be that Roger's former organization evolved into or was taken over by StarCon at some point?
After all, We have no idea how long Roger was frozen for the end of SQ2..
Is there any indication that it would be a retcon about Arcada not being a part of StarCon (just never named as such, since his job is to get off the ship as quick as possible)?
Tawmis.com - Voice Actor
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
- Rath Darkblade
- The Cute One
- Posts: 12667
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:15 am
- Location: Lost in Translation
- Gender: Male
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I haven't played SQ6 recently, so I can't recall where or what Arcada is. *shrug*
On the other hand, Kielbasa's long list of "thank you"s always cracks me up.![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
On the other hand, Kielbasa's long list of "thank you"s always cracks me up.
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
- Tawmis
- Grand Poobah's Servant
- Posts: 20647
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:19 am
- Gender: Not Specified
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
Arcada is the ship Roger begins on in SQ1.Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:16 pm I haven't played SQ6 recently, so I can't recall where or what Arcada is. *shrug*
On the other hand, Kielbasa's long list of "thank you"s always cracks me up.![]()
https://spacequest.net/sq1/ships/
Tawmis.com - Voice Actor
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
Re: StarCon
That's likely a "repurposed" bit from the end of Steve Martin's 1977 comedy album, "Let's Get Small" -- pretty much the same joke.Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:16 pm
On the other hand, Kielbasa's long list of "thank you"s always cracks me up.![]()
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
- Rath Darkblade
- The Cute One
- Posts: 12667
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:15 am
- Location: Lost in Translation
- Gender: Male
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
Ah, OK. I didn't know the original ship in SQ1 was called the Arcada.
I haven't heard Steve Martin's album, either.
I was way too young when he released that!
I haven't heard Steve Martin's album, either.
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
- MusicallyInspired
- Village Elder
- Posts: 3143
- Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:46 am
- Gender: Male
- Location: Manitoba, Canada
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I believe it is a retcon and I dislike it. Not a fan of StarCon personally. I just think the older uniforms and the "nameless Xenon space institute" of some kind was better. In my headcanon they are separate entities.
01010100 01110010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01010100 01001000 00110001
Re: StarCon
What? Why, every 5- and 6-year-old in my neighborhood had that album...Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am
I haven't heard Steve Martin's album, either.I was way too young when he released that!
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
Just kidding -- I didn't discover his four comedy albums until I was a little older in the early-to-mid '80s, buying them from a local used books-and-records store.
Re: StarCon
It's official: StarCon has been absorbed into and is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of RetCon.MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 am I believe it is a retcon and I dislike it. Not a fan of StarCon personally. I just think the older uniforms and the "nameless Xenon space institute" of some kind was better. In my headcanon they are separate entities.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
- JasefWisener
- Third in Line
- Posts: 1010
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:57 am
- Gender: Male
- Location: Huntsville, AL
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I always loved the idea they were going for with StarCon, but a lot of that has to do with me loving lore in games. StarCon's addition and retcons added what felt like deep history to the series, and I loved it.
"I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and keep trying to do good and so are you and nobody gets to vote on that."
- Justin McElroy, My Brother, My Brother, and Me
- Justin McElroy, My Brother, My Brother, and Me
- MusicallyInspired
- Village Elder
- Posts: 3143
- Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:46 am
- Gender: Male
- Location: Manitoba, Canada
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I just missed the old uniforms the most. That's where it started. At least they gave back Roger's purple sleeves. But I preferred it when everyone's uniforms were like that (like in SQ1VGA). And the small black triangle on the left side of the tunic. It's just got that sci-fi feel that really snagged me as a kid. The Starcon uniforms are nice homages to the Star Trek movie uniforms (and obviously TOS), but I really missed that older design.
01010100 01110010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01010100 01001000 00110001
- Rath Darkblade
- The Cute One
- Posts: 12667
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:15 am
- Location: Lost in Translation
- Gender: Male
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
Found it! You can find anything on google.goatmeal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:14 pmWhat? Why, every 5- and 6-year-old in my neighborhood had that album...Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am
I haven't heard Steve Martin's album, either.I was way too young when he released that!
![]()
Just kidding -- I didn't discover his four comedy albums until I was a little older in the early-to-mid '80s, buying them from a local used books-and-records store.
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
It's been years since I played SQ1, but still, no wonder I didn't remember Arcada. IIRC, in SQ1, they didn't name the ship you start on. Am I right?MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:04 am I believe it is a retcon and I dislike it. Not a fan of StarCon personally. I just think the older uniforms and the "nameless Xenon space institute" of some kind was better. In my headcanon they are separate entities.
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif)
- Tawmis
- Grand Poobah's Servant
- Posts: 20647
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:19 am
- Gender: Not Specified
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
I agree with this as well.MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:36 pm I just missed the old uniforms the most. That's where it started. At least they gave back Roger's purple sleeves. But I preferred it when everyone's uniforms were like that (like in SQ1VGA). And the small black triangle on the left side of the tunic. It's just got that sci-fi feel that really snagged me as a kid. The Starcon uniforms are nice homages to the Star Trek movie uniforms (and obviously TOS), but I really missed that older design.
I feel like, especially with Space Quest I, they weren't sure if there'd be another.
Because you can literally name your hero anything - and it is only "Roger Wilco" (if you name it that, or press enter without putting in a character name).
I think as the series progressed, they were adding more. And by the time Space Quest V (Intro of StarCon) - Scott and Mark were no longer working on the game together. So it veered more to becoming a straight up Star Trek parody (it felt like) rather than a general "Sci Fi" parody. And they focused MUCH more, I feel like, in story (which SQ4 also did a lot of). The games were able to do so much more, hold so much more, have voices.
It's not surprising, that after SQ4 - that they would do some retcon to make it a more cohesive story.
Tawmis.com - Voice Actor
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
Comic Relief Podcast!
Neverending Nights
Hello, my name is Larry. Larry Laffer!
- MusicallyInspired
- Village Elder
- Posts: 3143
- Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:46 am
- Gender: Male
- Location: Manitoba, Canada
- Contact:
Re: StarCon
No, you are not. It was called the Arcada in both the remake and the AGI original.Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:03 pm It's been years since I played SQ1, but still, no wonder I didn't remember Arcada. IIRC, in SQ1, they didn't name the ship you start on. Am I right?![]()
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
Well, they did call it "Chapter One" on the original black box, in-game, and in the demo. Hehe.
But yeah, there's never a guarantee. And early on in a series you don't need a ton of stuff fleshed out anyway.
01010100 01110010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01010100 01001000 00110001