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AndreaDraco wrote:Disclaimer: the following is totally non-confrontational. I'm genuinely interested in the answer.

I seriously think that the Black Wolf is easily the best character ever written in a Sierra adventure game, perhaps even more than Gabriel himself. I would really like to know why so many people prefer Mordack over him.

I will always be partial to villains that use magic over werewolves as being "the baddest of the bad." I mean, yes the Black Wolf was a very well defined character, but Mordak captured an entire family - an entire castle! - for that matter.

Tawmis wrote:

AndreaDraco wrote:Disclaimer: the following is totally non-confrontational. I'm genuinely interested in the answer.

I seriously think that the Black Wolf is easily the best character ever written in a Sierra adventure game, perhaps even more than Gabriel himself. I would really like to know why so many people prefer Mordack over him.

I will always be partial to villains that use magic over werewolves as being "the baddest of the bad." I mean, yes the Black Wolf was a very well defined character, but Mordak captured an entire family - an entire castle! - for that matter.

That's the very thing that often ticks me off about these tournaments. The votes tallied are usually the result of "who's more popular." Let's be honest, some of these match-ups simply don't make sense and even if they did, there are some characters who'd kick the crap out of the others.

I suppose that's the problem with having different characters from different games and genres fighting each other. There's no way to equally match them up.

DeadPoolX wrote:That's the very thing that often ticks me off about these tournaments. The votes tallied are usually the result of "who's more popular." Let's be honest, some of these match-ups simply don't make sense and even if they did, there are some characters who'd kick the crap out of the others. I suppose that's the problem with having different characters from different games and genres fighting each other. There's no way to equally match them up.

Popularity voting is the only way to make things equal in this case. Since we don't know who's played which games, and how people can change the way they vote, the outcome is a little more unpredictable. If the contest was "who would win in a fight," we'd all know the winner before it starts (whoever has the most tanks, of course!) Even I've been surprised at a few of the votes already and I'm curious to know how it ends. I always thought it would come down to Sludge Vohaul and the Black Wolf, but now I'm wondering if I should expect any twists.

What's interesting is that if this same contest was run on a major gaming site, G Man would come out on top - no question. But here, it looks like he's getting creamed by a guy in a cage, whom I threw in as a joke. I am finding this incredibly awesome

DeadPoolX wrote:

Tawmis wrote:

AndreaDraco wrote:Disclaimer: the following is totally non-confrontational. I'm genuinely interested in the answer.

I seriously think that the Black Wolf is easily the best character ever written in a Sierra adventure game, perhaps even more than Gabriel himself. I would really like to know why so many people prefer Mordack over him.

I will always be partial to villains that use magic over werewolves as being "the baddest of the bad." I mean, yes the Black Wolf was a very well defined character, but Mordak captured an entire family - an entire castle! - for that matter.

That's the very thing that often ticks me off about these tournaments. The votes tallied are usually the result of "who's more popular." Let's be honest, some of these match-ups simply don't make sense and even if they did, there are some characters who'd kick the crap out of the others.

I suppose that's the problem with having different characters from different games and genres fighting each other. There's no way to equally match them up.

Er... what does popularity have to do with it? I honestly think that the Black Wolf was a very well fleshed out character... but if I am going to sit back and think who is more sinister and evil... a werewolf... or an evil magician who can teleport an entire castle away... I think the magician is going to do more damage here than the werewolf. (And honestly it's all for fun!)

Datadog wrote:

DeadPoolX wrote:That's the very thing that often ticks me off about these tournaments. The votes tallied are usually the result of "who's more popular." Let's be honest, some of these match-ups simply don't make sense and even if they did, there are some characters who'd kick the crap out of the others. I suppose that's the problem with having different characters from different games and genres fighting each other. There's no way to equally match them up.

Popularity voting is the only way to make things equal in this case. Since we don't know who's played which games, and how people can change the way they vote, the outcome is a little more unpredictable. If the contest was "who would win in a fight," we'd all know the winner before it starts (whoever has the most tanks, of course!) Even I've been surprised at a few of the votes already and I'm curious to know how it ends. I always thought it would come down to Sludge Vohaul and the Black Wolf, but now I'm wondering if I should expect any twists.

What's interesting is that if this same contest was run on a major gaming site, G Man would come out on top - no question. But here, it looks like he's getting creamed by a guy in a cage, whom I threw in as a joke. I am finding this incredibly awesome

I agree that popularity is the only viable way of conducting a tournament like this, especially when mixing games and genres. However, I think perhaps certain criteria should be mentioned or used.

How about voting "which character is the best detective" or "which character is the biggest goofball" or whatever. That'd place the scenario, whereas right now, who knows if we're talking about a fight or some other contest.

DeadPoolX wrote:Er... what does popularity have to do with it?

We can easily say “What has brute force got to do with it?” as well. That’s why Datadog concluded that voting is the best way to get an even representation of who we think “the best” villain is as a whole. Each of us may have our own definition of “the best”, whether it’s based on physical strength or disposition and character portrayal.

I, for one, believe the Black Wolf is “the best” out of all! Mwua ha haaa.

I've been voting who the most evil villain is from my point of view. I had to vote out WD-40 (even though she's Space Quest) for another villain because of this. So I'm kind of voting against my nature here . Though, I'm surprised the GMan is losing apparently.

DeadPoolX wrote: How about voting "which character is the best detective" or "which character is the biggest goofball" or whatever. That'd place the scenario, whereas right now, who knows if we're talking about a fight or some other contest.

Uh, well for me - the name is already in the title "Best Sierra Villain"...

Jules wrote:

DeadPoolX wrote:Er... what does popularity have to do with it?

We can easily say “What has brute force got to do with it?” as well. That’s why Datadog concluded that voting is the best way to get an even representation of who we think “the best” villain is as a whole. Each of us may have our own definition of “the best”, whether it’s based on physical strength or disposition and character portrayal.

I, for one, believe the Black Wolf is “the best” out of all! Mwua ha haaa.

Jules, you quoted Tawmis, not me.

Oh whoops. Sorry, DPX. Too many quotes and sub quotes to edit.

After re-reading this page again, my post has me even more confused. Originally I thought DPX was talking about which villian is stronger and Tawm was talking about who commited the most heinous deeds. And me, I don't know what I was talking about.

Can we simply forget that I posted anything on this page? All those gun tags are boggling my mind!

Shame on me for speed reading at work while dodging my boss's micromanagement eyes.

Hey, great! Thanks, everybody! I finally come up with a foolproof way to prevent ties... and then nobody ties! What's wrong with you people?!?

Anyway, the results:

1. Sludge Vohaul (7) vs. The Head Vampire (4)
Sludge Vohaul explodes Xenon's sun, causing the intense solar rays to wipe out all vampires!

2. The Demon Wizard (7) vs. Dr. Nonookee (4)
The Demon Wizard sends Dr. Nonookee to hell!!!

3. The Boogeyman (2) vs. Manannan (9)
Manannan poofs the Boogeyman into dust!

4. Slaughter (3) vs. The Pukoid Commander (8)
The Commander pukes on Slaughter and adds him to his army!

5. The Dijon Plantation Killer (5) vs. Lolotte (6)
Lolotte sends the Killer out to find a unicorn, and the killer gets swallowed by a whale!

6. Ad Avis (10) vs. Mr. Bigg (1)
Ad Avis casts the epic Dragon Fire spell on Mr. Bigg and wins by overkill!

7. Hagatha (2) vs. Arnoid (9)
Arnoid is going to pump up Hagatha... WITH HIS FIST!

8. Flesh Eater (1) vs. Voodoo Leader (10)
The Voodoo Leader leaves Flesh Eater in a bloody mess on someone's floor.

9. The Death Angel (10) vs. WD-40 (1)
The Death Angel kidnaps WD-40's head.

10. Lycentia (2) vs. Abdul Alhazared (9)
Abdul Alhazard steals Dreep's rubber ducky and tells him Lycentia took it.

11. The Leyendecker Museum Killer (8) vs. Prometheus (3)
The killer stabs the great Prometheus to death... somehow! It was pretty amazing to watch.

12. Mordack (5) vs . The Black Wolf (6)
The Black Wolf transforms into a wolf! Mordack accidentally transforms into a rabbit!

13. G Man (4) vs. The Arabian Stallion, Al Scurva! (7)
Al Scurva tips over his cage and squishes G Man!

Bonus Round: Khaveen (6) vs King Bodd (5)
Khaveen uses his sword and kills Bodd with it. Because that's what swords are for.

Next round up shortly!

NOOOOOO!!! GMan!!!!

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