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audiodane wrote:Well to play devil's advocate, I wonder what kind of powers the unions had (and gave up) over all of this. I wonder if the unions there previously had way too much power and this just brings them back into the fray? After all, the IDEA of unions, much like the IDEA of socialism, is a good one. In practice, however, I don't think either traditionally work as well as expected. To that end I will admit that unions do still have their place even today. But I don't think that all unions are beneficial. My brother-in-law works in the hollywood industry doing lighting design.... Some places are so bad that when he wants a box of cables moved from one area to another he has to seek out a union worker, ask them to move the box, and then proceed to wait until the union worker decides to go move the box. One extreme case I think he had to wait like 2 hours for something that he could have done in 2 minutes (it wasn't even a heavy box). But had he touched the box his contract on that job would have been terminated..
Except that most unions don't have that much power these days. Unions are often used as a kind of straw man argument to counter when the over powering influences of corporate entities on our political process is mentioned. The money that unions have been able put into the elections is a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket compared to the vast sums that corporations have been pouring into them this time.

Unions, like most things, can and have been abused. To cite the old saying "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" and some, but not all, unions in times past have had too much power. However, we have seen the kinds of abuses that employees have been subjected to with the lack of unions. Laws that protect workers safety would have never been passed if it weren't for the ascendancy of unions. Working conditions prior to their existence were absolutely appalling with deaths and mutilations in work places fairly common.
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Absolutely true, Collector - full marks. The sort of conditions that workers had to endure in the 19th century, before unions, are almost unheard of in 'western countries' today. Railroad workers, for instance, had to work from dawn to dusk - unremitting, backbreaking work with no possibility of breaks except for water and food. Miners and factory workers were treated appallingly, as were the 'matchbox girls'. A factory worker who got his arm caught in the machine would have been as likely to just be left to die as he was to receive medical help. Turning off the machine would mean less profit for the owner! Oh, and OH&S? Forget it!

In that context, the organisation of unions is a good thing. But it can't be said that unionisation was a universally good thing. Like all ideas, the idea of unions was abused in some circumstances. Also, big corporation owners are still richer and more powerful than the unions.

Anyway, back to discussing Hobbit! :D
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Ian McKellen has signed on to return as wizard Gandalf in "The Hobbit," the two-pic adaptation of the J.R.R. Tolkien novel being directed by Peter Jackson.

The dealmaking on Hobbit for a slew of Jackson veterans from his "Lord of the Rings" trilogy has been coming fast and furious and comes on the heels of Andy Serkis finally inking his deal to reprise Gollum.

"The Hobbit" book introduced Gandalf and Gollum, with both characters going on to become part of literature's most popular characters. Gandalf sets the adventure going in the story and appears throughout the novel. Gollum appears in a chapter that has gone on to be one of the most memorable in all of fantasy literature.

Elijah Wood signed his deal to return as Frodo last week, and Cate Blanchett will play Galadriel once again. Orlando Bloom has an offer to return as elf archer Legolas, though it's too early to tell if a deal will be made.

McKellen, who was nominated for an Oscar for his portrayal of Gandalf, has spent recent years doing mostly voice work for film and TV, although he did star in the remake of AMC's "The Prisoner." His last major film role was in 2006's "X-Men: The Last Stand."

"Hobbit" starts shooting Feb. 14 in New Zealand.
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Man, I just caught up on all the news regarding the "The Hobbit" and I'm trying to keep my brain from hemorrhaging. I really, really, really hope they know what they're doing with this movie. I can understand they want to milk the franchise, but adding characters and splitting "The Hobbit" into two-parts is just really frustrating. It's aggravating enough waiting for the 2nd half of "Deathly Hallows" - but to wait a whole second movie (six hours) just to see Smaug? Even on home video that would be annoying. They once fit this whole story inside an 80-minute animated film. They even had room for musical numbers. It seems like you'd have to expand it just to make one 3-hour movie. A whole second film with Legolas and Galadriel seems like over-kill.
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I think Hollywood is scared that if familiar names aren't attached to THE HOBBIT, that it'd lose viewership. I think they SINCERELY underestimate Tolkien's fan base, and how many people would like to see THE HOBBIT done right.
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Why does Galadriel and Legolas have to be in The Hobbit at all?

Why does Elijah Wood need to be Frodo in this film? I thought Frodo wouldn't show up as a character until The Fellowship of the Ring?

And who's playing Bilbo, definitely one of the most pivotal characters in the whole damn book?

Meanwhile, Christopher Lee will return as Saruman. Here's the link from Sir Christopher Lee's own website: http://christopherleeweb.com/story/sir- ... rns-hobbit . But Saruman never appeared in The Hobbit at all...

I'm confused. :?
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Shouldn't Frodo be born at all? Or at least shouldn't he be very little?

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Rath Darkblade wrote: And who's playing Bilbo, definitely one of the most pivotal characters in the whole damn book?
Martin Freeman has been cast as Bilbo, which completes his geek trifecta as he has now/will be played/playing Dr Watson, Arthur Dent and Bilbo Baggins.
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At least he's a great actor!
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I have no complaints about their choice in Bilbo. :)
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Rath Darkblade wrote:Why does Galadriel and Legolas have to be in The Hobbit at all?

Why does Elijah Wood need to be Frodo in this film? I thought Frodo wouldn't show up as a character until The Fellowship of the Ring?
I am HOPING that they have small cameos, at best. As a way to tie in THE HOBBIT to the LORD OF THE RINGS for movie goers.

For example, if we see Frodo in the beginning with Bilbo, in his hobbit hole. No big deal. If when they encounter the Elves in Mirkwood, they see and meet Legolas among them, as well as Galadriel, I wouldn't mind. I just hope that none of these characters go ALONG on the adventure itself. Small cameos, even if it goes against the book, I don't mind. If they're key players, then I might have a problem with it.
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The problem is Frodo wasn't born at the beginning of The Hobbit.
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MusicallyInspired wrote:The problem is Frodo wasn't born at the beginning of The Hobbit.
Oh, I know this. But the standard movie goer might not. They made PLENTY of changes in LORD OF THE RINGS as well... Some I liked, some I disliked. Frodo, if he's just a cameo would not be a big deal to me.
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Tawmis wrote:I am HOPING that they have small cameos, at best. As a way to tie in THE HOBBIT to the LORD OF THE RINGS for movie goers.
Bilbo's character and Gandalf does that. Don't forget that the fan base is not your typical movie fan base. I would think that the vast majority of the viewers have read the books. The discontinuity will hurt it more than the (very?) few that would be befuddled without the contrived tie ins.

Frodo has no business being in The Hobbit.
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