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DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am Okay, I know I'm months late here, but I'd really like to give my two cents.

I admit I was surprised when I saw this new thread had new posts!

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am Plus, perspective can change over time. We have evidence of this now with some very loud YouTubers who bemoan TLJ and yet continually praise the prequels. When someone says that The Phantom Menace was a better movie than The Last Jedi or that Jar-Jar Binks was less annoying than Rose, we're obviously seeing firsthand a case of "time heals all wounds."

No, what we're seeing is idiots.
On the Twitter-Verse, back when The Last Jedi was getting so much hate (since I actually enjoyed it) - I was actively hunting down #TheLastJedi hashtags and purposely engaging people who bitched about it - especially if they said the prequels (Episodes I, II and III) were better.

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am but I honestly liked the gray moral areas they were discussing, especially how arms dealers are playing both sides.

I thought when they learned about the arms dealer playing both sides, was absolutely great.

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am Leia floating in space makes sense when you consider that Luke would've likely taught Leia a few things over the years. Remember, she was considered powerful enough to be Obi-Wan and Yoda's second choice if Luke died or turned to the Dark Side. And she didn't "fly in space." All she would've needed was a tiny push with the Force and she'd keep going (because that's how outer space works).
The only reason I somewhat dislike this now is because of Carrie Fisher's death, so Leia dying here would've worked nicely. Better yet, she could've gone on the kamikaze run. Unfortunately, no one knew Fisher would die when she did.

That is a scene that I admit, I didn't like. And it's the only thing, really, that I didn't like about The Last Jedi.
To me, when Kylo hesitated, but the other TIE Fighters didn't - and it appears Leia died - I thought that would have been a great moment to push Kylo to question everything.
And would have, in the end, been a pretty good reason he turned on Snoke, doubting that Snoke's way was the right way - and that he'd just take over himself and do things right.

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am The people who wanted some crazy, Michael Bay-like combat scene with Luke destroying everything in his path like a Force-powered tornado really, really don't understand his character.

I think people wanted Luke vs Kylo, not sure much Luke destroy everything. But a Luke vs Kylo seems light it would have been an ending fight scene for the movie.

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 am Finally, there's the one complaint that really ticks me off every time I hear it: "Why didn't Admiral Holdo just tell Poe her plans?" Why? Why would she?!
Holdo is an admiral. She is Poe's superior officer. In the military, you DO NOT openly question your commanding officer. Your job is to shut up, say "yes sir!" and follow orders (unless the orders have you committing a war crime, in which case you have to report your CO).
But even if Holdo was going to tell someone, why Poe?

Agreed, if CHARACTER_01 had questioned Holdo, no one would have blinked an eye that someone dared question her and she didn't tell them. But because the movie put such a spotlight on Poe, everyone expects that he should be treated differently.

MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:38 am Incidentally, I saw Solo recently at last with my dad and the kids last week. Eh. It was alright. A wonderfully average film. Certainly better than The Last Jedi. But that's not saying much to me. The line explaining how Han got his name was incredibly cringe.

It was odd... since there wasn't really "Spanish" to explain why he would say someone alone is named "Solo."
But who knows, maybe in Jaregianise - the Space Aliens of Ubbatooka - "Solo" means alone.
But the originals have some cringe worthy moments too - they've just become "cute" now.

MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:38 am It was cool how they tied Maul in from Clone Wars and Rebels and used the same voice actor while getting Ray Park under the horns again. It was a little stupid when he ignited his lightsaber on the hologram, though. Ugh.

I am pretty sure that's for everyone who doesn't watch Rebels to ensure viewers it's not just another Zabrak (the alien race that Maul is).

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 amSeriously, if you can find professional reviews and comments from 1980 (good luck with that!) in newspapers or magazines, you might be surprised to see how unpopular ESB was with fans and critics who loved A New Hope and expected more of the same.

Challenge accepted! I'm not a researcher at heart for nothing...

Denver Post Review, 1980 - a mixed review, praising the effects but calling it a "teaser" for the third movie

Variety Magazine, May 7 1980 - generally positive. A quote: "...worthy sequel to Star Wars, equal in both technical mastery and characterization, suffering only from the familiarity with the effects generated in the original and imitated too much by others."

The Australian, August 9, 1980. Uniformly positive. A quote: "If it’s not too late, I recant. As long as George Lucas will spend the next 21 years producing the rest of the three Star Wars trilogies - that’s one every three years - I can say it: The Empire Strikes Back is splendid."

On the other hand, from the website "A Critical Hit"... How did fans react to the movie at the time? Not all responses were positive.

And, of course, the obligatory YouTube video - bad reviews to ESB. It includes a talking head calling it, in short, utter rubbish.

But this is hardly a new phenomenon. When Gilbert and Sullivan wrote their light operettas, a well-known comic actor named George Grossmith created many of the lead roles, like the Modern Major-General in The Pirates of Penzance and Ko-Ko, the Lord High Executioner, in The Mikado. Even one year after "The Mikado" opened, it was regarded as a triumph - but what they said after opening night was a very different story, e.g. "Mr Grossmith gave a hesitant impersonation of the Lord High Executioner. The potential, however, seems there." (Potential? Grossmith slaved for years over those roles. Both Gilbert and Sullivan drove him, and the entire company, completely frantic. It's a well-established fact that Grossmith became so distraught during "The Mikado", that when he was backstage, he had to take morphine to calm himself and get ready for his next entry).

I guess all this goes to prove is that there always has been, and always will be, a war between actors and critics. Undeclared and polite, of course, but still...

Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:29 pm No, what we're seeing is idiots.
On the Twitter-Verse, back when The Last Jedi was getting so much hate (since I actually enjoyed it) - I was actively hunting down #TheLastJedi hashtags and purposely engaging people who bitched about it - especially if they said the prequels (Episodes I, II and III) were better.

LOL! Some of the conspiracy theory-like hate thrown at TLJ was just crazy.

I seriously read people claiming that TLJ had a "vegan agenda" because Chewbacca didn't want to eat a cooked porg in front of the porg's friends.

WHAT THE HELL IS A VEGAN AGENDA!?

I'm not vegan or vegetarian or whatever people claim they are when they don't consider fish or chicken as meat (hint: it is!), but I'd have a problem eating a creature in front of other self-aware creatures who were actively mourning that creature's death.

The funny thing is we don't know what really happened next. Maybe Chewie went into the Millennium Falcon and ate his dinner there. Just because he didn't want to be a cruel jerk and chow down on their friend in front of them doesn't mean he didn't eat the porg at all!

As a side note, the reason the porgs were created was because there were a ton of puffins on that island and they kept running into scenes. Instead of attempting the apparently futile gesture of moving them, they used CGI to turn the puffins into porgs.

Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:29 pm That is a scene that I admit, I didn't like. And it's the only thing, really, that I didn't like about The Last Jedi.
To me, when Kylo hesitated, but the other TIE Fighters didn't - and it appears Leia died - I thought that would have been a great moment to push Kylo to question everything.
And would have, in the end, been a pretty good reason he turned on Snoke, doubting that Snoke's way was the right way - and that he'd just take over himself and do things right.

It didn't bother me. I don't know if I would've done it, but it wasn't a major deal. Like I said, Leia has force powers; hell, she felt Han die in TFA, so there's recent evidence for it right there.

And yeah, if Leia had died there it would've worked well thematically, but no one knew Carrie Fisher was going to die. Unfortunately, now they'll have to come up with some half-assed reason to kill her or keep her off camera. Sure, they said they were going to use cut footage from TFA and TLJ, but I can't imagine there's enough to work with that'll make sense.

Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:29 pm I think people wanted Luke vs Kylo, not sure much Luke destroy everything. But a Luke vs Kylo seems light it would have been an ending fight scene for the movie.

I can understand expecting a lightsaber battle, but from the complaints I heard, people really wanted a huge, special effects-laden battle where they get to see Luke smashing things and ripping apart the enemy.

Even so, the trick Luke pulled really fits his character. I know a lot of people were upset he died, but so what? Now he's a Force ghost! He could be anywhere and everywhere, and as we saw with Yoda, Force ghosts can apparently interact with the living world. So it'll be interesting to see what happens next with this.

Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:29 pm Agreed, if CHARACTER_01 had questioned Holdo, no one would have blinked an eye that someone dared question her and she didn't tell them. But because the movie put such a spotlight on Poe, everyone expects that he should be treated differently.

Yeah, except most of the complaints seem to center around the movie being an "SJW message of perfect women bossing incompetent men around" or something silly like that.

Perfect women? Really? If this movie was supposed to be feminist (like the complainers claim) it did a really piss-poor job of it. The women in the movie screw up just as much as the men. Perhaps it's not quite as obvious, but there are plenty of moments where the women in the movie do the absolute wrong thing or make the wrong decision. The entire movie was about failure. Everyone fails to some degree!

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:23 pmEveryone fails to some degree!

Including the writer/director!

MusicallyInspired wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:26 pm

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:23 pmEveryone fails to some degree!

Including the writer/director!

I thought you weren't going to say anymore.

Lol ok, ok. I'll leave. I know when I'm not wanted!

Now here's something completely different - a really fun Star Wars song!



(The Scared Weird Little Guys are an Aussie comedy institution. They've been writing songs and performing since at least the early 90s)