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oberonqa wrote:Overall though, the 650W should serve you well. One last though regarding PSU selection.... it's really time consuming and potentially difficult to replace a PSU should you wind up upgrading your rig with power-hungry components (such as adding a 2nd Fermi card to SLI, for example), you'll have to pull everything out of the case in order to replace the PSU with a more powerful one. That being said, if you can swing it, you would have a lot more breathing room if you went with either a 750W or 850W PSU.
Had not even considered that. I won't be going SLI right away, but possibly down the road and I definitely want to make room for it.
I would also give some serious thought into getting a bigger case. The Antec 300 is a great mid-size case... but the Fermi's are pretty big. You don't need to go with a full tower case.... but you should look into getting something a bit roomier. Also keep in mind the Fermi's run pretty hot, so you'll need to pay attention to air flow and make sure you got a good push->pull airflow configuration going. If your open to a case recommendation, I use a CoolerMaster HAF 922 with my rig, and it runs cool and quiet. It also has plenty of clearance for large video cards such as the Fermi and plenty of breathing room so hot components such as the video card don't wind increasing the internal ambient temperature too much.
Good suggestion. My only worry is that this stuff will up the price even more. I'll just have to see what I can work with. Thank you.
Also... I see your going with 4GB's of DDR3 RAM and pairing that with a 64-bit operating system. Depending on how heavy of a gamer you are, I would suggest getting another 4GB's, which would give you a total of 8GB's of RAM. You will really see a huge performance increase not just in your gaming, but in Windows as well.
I was told that 8GB is currently overkill for gaming and that 4GB would be plenty enough. Also, I can buy more RAM afterwards if need be.
And lastly... if you don't have your heart set on that MSI video card, look into going with EVGA. They offer a lifetime warranty on their video cards (which only requires you to register the card on their website within 30 days of purchase) and they also offer a step-up program where you can step your existing video card up to a new video card later on down the road without having to pay full retail.
I found this EVGA Fermi which is $10 more but has a $30 mail-in rebate which turns out to be cheaper than the other card. It's also slightly faster clock-wise. A good alternative?
As for whether you go with a 460 or wait for the newer 560's depends entirely on whether you want to be the first on your block with the latest and greatest. The 460's may a little old... but it would serve you well for a couple of years. The 560's may have better stats... but the last couple of generations have only seen a 10%-15% increase in performance each generation. If you ended up getting a 460, you shouldn't have to worry about upgrading for at least two to three years. And if you did end up purchasing a second 460 to take advantage of SLI, the performance gained by a single 560 would be even less. I know a couple of people that are still gaming with a pair of 250's in SLI that are playing the latest and greatest games at max framerate at 1900x1080 resolution... and the 250's are starting to get a little old.
Good to know. That's a relief. I keep second-guessing myself about this but I'll stick with the 460. :)

EDIT: I was looking at this Corsair PSU and it seems the most attractive right now, if a little pricey. It has a single 12-volt rail and is Gold standard 750W. Your opinion? Or maybe there's something better on this list?
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This is the PSU I use in my rig:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6817139006

It's not Gold Certified... but in all honesty I don't see the hoopla about Gold Certified (much like the old Nintendo Seal of Quality in my opinion). This PSU is 750W with 60 amps on it's single 12V rail. 60A is more than enough amperage to power your rig and give you breathing room... and with 750W of total power, you won't have to worry about taxing the PSU with upgrades.

It's also about $50 cheaper than the one your looking at, so that's a plus.

As far as video cards, you don't NEED to go with a factory overclocked card... especially considering there are a wide variety of overclocking tools around that can give you the same overclock without any premium. No point in paying extra for something you can do yourself in 2-3 clicks. Also, the difference between the overclocked board and a regular reference board is 43Mhz (763Mhz on the factory overclocked board versus 720Mhz on a reference board). That isn't even an aggressive overclock and you can replicate that with minimal fuss using a reference board.

That being said.... how about this card:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6814130565

It's $199.99 and you get a $20.00 rebate, so it ultimately only costs $179.99.

As for the case....

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... -_-Product

Currently $99.99, which is only $30 more than the Antec 300.

As far as the memory goes... your friends are giving you advice that is about 3 years old. 3 years ago they were absolutely correct in that there was no real performance gain once you hit the 4GB threshold. However, games made today DO take advantage of the extra memory. You need look no further than Fallout: New Vegas, Metro 2033, Grand Theft Auto IV, Aliens versus Predator, or Final Fantasy XIV. When you have 8GB's of RAM, that gives the game engine a lot more room to do stuff. The end result is a much smoother gaming experience.
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Thanks for the recommendations! I've already picked your case. The cheaper video card is definitely welcome. I wonder if I could nab two of those and get SLI right away seeing as it's cheaper.

Oh, but the RAM. How about these? Mostly the same as the others except shorter latency and more volts.
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The memory should be good. Just do yourself a favor and check the board's memory compatibility list before you purchase memory. Some boards can be pretty finicky when it comes to memory for reasons I don't quite understand.
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It says it takes DDR3 1600 RAM which those sticks are. Or are we talking some kind of brand compatibility listing? Because I can't seem to find that...
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It's brand compatibility. Not all memory of a specific type will work in all boards, even if the board accepts the type of memory. Like i said, it's something specific to the board... some Asus boards refuse to boot when using GSkill memory, for example. Some MSI boards refuse to boot when using Corsair Value memory.

What you need to do is check the manufacturer's product page and look for something called "Memory Support List". I found it right away for the Gigabyte boards, but not sure if your still going with Gigabyte or not. The support list is not all inclusive and does not include any and all memory combinations, but it is generally a good idea to stick with what is on the list when your building a new rig from the ground up, if for no other reason to eliminate a troubleshooting step if the rig does not POST.
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I'm going with the MSI board since it's cheaper and exactly the same specs as the Gigabyte pretty much (and also has a Firewire port). I'll check MSI's site.

EDIT: Here's the product's site on the official MSI website http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmb ... =2070#menu but no memory compatibility list...
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Hrmm.... I can't find a Memory Support List either... only a CPU Compatibility List. Might want to shoot an email to their Technical Support department. Either that or go through the customer reviews for the board on Newegg and select the same memory that other verified users are using (a common review practice on Newegg is to include your system specifications in reviews).
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Some boards can get finicky about memory. It is possible to put in what is otherwise decent memory and have it not even POST, even when it is the right kind of RAM. It usually is best to check compatibility before checking. Most product pages have links to RAM compatibility for that board. Here is the list for this board.

http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2225.pdf
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Crap. The G.Skill RAM I had picked out isn't listed. I'll have to do some more searching.
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Just because something is not on the list does not mean that it will not work, just that it hasn't been tested. Still, best to keep with what has been tested and approved.
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There are some G.Skill there. Just not my particular 4x2GB 8GB pack. I'll have to look around some more.
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After a little more research I've discovered that the mobo I've picked only supports 1600 RAM when overclocked. Apparently this is fine and if I use 1600 memory the motherboard will simply run it at 1333 and not take advantage of the extra speed unless I overclock it. Problem is the RAM I picked isn't listed on the list. I sensed that there was an issue with putting more than 2 sticks of 1600 RAM on the mobo at once like, they'd only work in slots 1 and 2 or something, that's what some people said. Yet others said they mistakenly bought 1600 RAM and it all worked fine. They just say to check the manual to see if you can put 4 1600 sticks on the mobo at once. I couldn't find any information on this. The other issue is that none of the RAM listed on the board's tested RAM list is in groups of 4 except for the 2GB sticks. Should I just buy 1333 RAM in 8GB (2x4GB)?
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Matching RAM sticks is important, but usually matching each pair in the same colored slots it will do. The 1600 RAMs operating at 1333 is a common complaint. The RAM speed is a factor of the CPU for the i7, i5 and i3 cores, as the controllers are on chip and defaults to 1333. To get the 1600 speed requires some BIOS tweaking. My Gigabyte board has profiles for memory settings that can be loaded. This allowed me to get the 1600 speed without doing any overclocking of the CPU or playing with voltage settings.
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This RAM is listed on the mobo's list and also says on its newegg page that it is specifically designed for P67 mobos and the Sandy Bridge processors. But it's fairly cheap considering. And the CAS latency is 9. Is that a big deal? I'm trying to figure out why it's so cheap...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... 6820231426
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