Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:22 pm
Well, this one I think is reasonable. The show is targeting a different audience than the folks who read Archie comics.
But why use the Archie IP then? If all you want is a 90210-like drama, then make one, but you don't need to take characters from an existing IP and then change it all around to fit whatever it is you're trying to do. That's lazy and offensive to fans.
To be honest, I never cared much about Archie (the only Archie comic I ever read was a crossover called
Archie Meets The Punisher, which was beyond ridiculous), but Maia did and she couldn't stand the new show. I can't even mention it — not that I usually have any urge to — without her telling me to stop.
Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:22 pm
I just think right now, there's still a lot of "old school thinking" (my own sister is one of them; who refuses to watch some show because they made the lead a black woman, when it was a white woman in history) so when they hear about gay, bisexual, trans, colored characters (that were white before), they get up in arms. (But never seem to mind when we white washed asian movie histories but putting white men in the asian roles).
How does two wrongs make a right, though? Yes, it was stupid and insensitive for white people to play roles that should've gone to Asians (or other groups), but attempting to do the same thing back to Caucasians is extremely petty, especially if there's a basis in historical fact for someone to be of some race and ethnicity.
In other words, I wouldn't expect to see Henry VIII played by a black man anymore than I'd expect to see Harriet Tubman played by a white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman. Both are acts of cultural appropriation, yet somehow it's considered "breaking racial barriers" to do the former, but whitewashing to do the latter. In reality, neither should be acceptable.
Tawmis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:22 pm
When they changed Kingpin to a big black man (Michael Clarke Duncan) when he (Kingpin, not Michael Clarke Duncan) has always been white - didn't bother me. Michael Clarke Duncan knocked it out of the park as Kingpin.
In the end, no one is right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to opinions that will likely differ from others, because that's how people are.
Not if it steps on cultural toes, though. For instance, a while back there were rumors of changing Magneto from a European (presumably German, but maybe Polish) Jewish man into an African American man in upcoming films. That completely destroys his character because being Jewish and having lived through the Holocaust in a concentration camp is integral to his character.
Why is it okay to prop up one minority while stepping on another? There are plenty of well-known black characters in the Marvel universe, but only a small handful of Jewish ones, the vast majority of whom are virtually unknown to the general public.
Going by the movies and TV shows (because we can't assume the general public reads comics), here's the breakdown of African or African American characters and openly Jewish characters in any Marvel movie.
African or African American: Blade, Storm, Human Torch*, Falcon, MJ, Black Panther (both T'Chaka and T'Challa), Ayo, Killmonger, Kingpin, Nakia, Okoye, W'Kabi, Shuri, M'Baku, Ramonda, War Machine, Photon**, Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Mack, and Nick Fury***.
Jewish: Magneto.
In addition, out of that long list of black characters in Marvel films and TV shows, only two of them (Killmonger and Kingpin) were villains, with the rest of them being heroes of some sort or at least supporting characters. Magneto, on the other hand, is at best an anti-hero, but more commonly shown as the villain.
So it seems to me that changing Magneto into an African American man would be essentially wiping the only openly Jewish Marvel film/TV character out of existence.
* In the 2015 Fantastic Four movie, they changed the Human Torch into a black man, which feels odd because his sister, the Invisible Woman, is white in the same film.
** Photon is Monica Rambeau, who first appeared as a child in Captain Marvel, but was an adult in WandaVision and is supposed to appear in an upcoming MCU movie called The Marvels.
*** Yes, I know Fury was originally white, but he had virtually no personality to begin with, so changing his race meant nothing to the character as a whole.
I have. They're ... um, interesting. But I wouldn't play them again. I kind of regret getting them, even on sale.
I've not tried any of the latest two "Leisure Suit Larry" games.
