When it comes to spelling/grammar, how pedantic are you? ;-)
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When it comes to spelling/grammar, how pedantic are you? ;-)
The question says it all. I've been posting on message boards forever (ever since 1996 or 1997, I think), and obviously not everyone's English (or whatever language you post in) is perfect. But when you post, do you check your own spelling and/or grammar, never mind someone else's? I don't mean checking for split infinitives or some obscure rule - simply things like they're/there, it's/its, etc. - and if someone's post is horrendously spelled, do you then refuse to answer?
I've been writing prose, poetry, short stories, song parodies etc. for fun ever since I started university (about 15 years ago), so for me it's almost an instinct to check my own spelling and grammar before I post. I just think it's a simple courtesy towards the person who's going to read my post. Obviously not everyone does this, and in some cases that's fine (particularly if English is not your first language). However, I've noticed when I studied English and English Literature in high school, that people who were from a non-English-speaking background actually tended to do better in those subjects than the people who were native English speakers. Has anyone else experienced this, and have any ideas why this is?
Oh, well, never mind me... just bored and thinking aloud.
I've been writing prose, poetry, short stories, song parodies etc. for fun ever since I started university (about 15 years ago), so for me it's almost an instinct to check my own spelling and grammar before I post. I just think it's a simple courtesy towards the person who's going to read my post. Obviously not everyone does this, and in some cases that's fine (particularly if English is not your first language). However, I've noticed when I studied English and English Literature in high school, that people who were from a non-English-speaking background actually tended to do better in those subjects than the people who were native English speakers. Has anyone else experienced this, and have any ideas why this is?
Oh, well, never mind me... just bored and thinking aloud.
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A couple of things drive me crazy.
1. Using loose instead of lose, they don't mean the same thing!!!!!
2. Using women instead of woman. Women is plural, woman is singular!!!!!
if someone's post is riddled with bad spelling I just hope they're not a native English speaker and give them the benefit of the doubt.
1. Using loose instead of lose, they don't mean the same thing!!!!!
2. Using women instead of woman. Women is plural, woman is singular!!!!!
if someone's post is riddled with bad spelling I just hope they're not a native English speaker and give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Sometimes bad spelling can lead to hilarious (and unintended) results. For instance, here are a few I've seen:
1. In the window of a whitegoods (fridges, washers etc.) store: GRAN SALE! HUGH CANTS LOOSE!
(They want to sell me their gran? And who is Hugh, and why is he canting in a loose manner?)
2. On the side of the road, a man holding up a Bible and a sign reading: GOD HATES BOOK LERNERS
(If you say so!)
And finally, the best one...
3. On a marquee, outside a hotel: CHECK OUT OUR LOW, LOW RATS
(Uhm... isn't that kind of insulting to the rats?)
1. In the window of a whitegoods (fridges, washers etc.) store: GRAN SALE! HUGH CANTS LOOSE!
(They want to sell me their gran? And who is Hugh, and why is he canting in a loose manner?)
2. On the side of the road, a man holding up a Bible and a sign reading: GOD HATES BOOK LERNERS
(If you say so!)
And finally, the best one...
3. On a marquee, outside a hotel: CHECK OUT OUR LOW, LOW RATS
(Uhm... isn't that kind of insulting to the rats?)
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I'm very pedantic at such things. I even make sure I get my punctuation right, capitalize all sentences and double-check for typos.
I wish more people would do that. It's very difficult for me, as a non-native speaker, to read and understand bad grammar. Unless the author is a Dutch speaker (in which case I may be able to understand his/her mistake), I really trip over such errors. (The same goes for Netspeak. What's the point of spelling "woz" instead of "was"?)
It gets particularly frustrating for me when people mix up then/than, its/it's or there/their/they're. Those were so stamped into me in my highschool years. And I automatically assume that other people use those words correctly, so that when I read "but to choose a color of they're delight" (Primus, To Defy The Laws Of Tradition) I spend several minutes re-reading the line before I realize that it's a spelling error.
I wish more people would do that. It's very difficult for me, as a non-native speaker, to read and understand bad grammar. Unless the author is a Dutch speaker (in which case I may be able to understand his/her mistake), I really trip over such errors. (The same goes for Netspeak. What's the point of spelling "woz" instead of "was"?)
It gets particularly frustrating for me when people mix up then/than, its/it's or there/their/they're. Those were so stamped into me in my highschool years. And I automatically assume that other people use those words correctly, so that when I read "but to choose a color of they're delight" (Primus, To Defy The Laws Of Tradition) I spend several minutes re-reading the line before I realize that it's a spelling error.
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I usually check before I post but sometimes I miss a few things. If I’m on Facebook, I won’t care about capitalizing and using punctuation, only because I’m usually talking to my sister. Otherwise, I’ll type as properly as I can for consideration to others.
Here in the south, people *know* they are wrong but don’t care to correct themselves. For example, coarse instead of course, and they use loose for lose. I don’t think I’ve ever seen/heard the word lose used here before. They always always always use loose instead. Another one southerners love is using our or oar instead of or.
I remember driving through a Hispanic neighborhood and I saw a sign made of cardboard, and with a black marker was written: “llard sale!” instead of "yard sale."
Oh, and another one. I vs me. That is an irksome one. Funny, people use I because they think it's more proper because it sounds proper, but it's not!
Here in the south, people *know* they are wrong but don’t care to correct themselves. For example, coarse instead of course, and they use loose for lose. I don’t think I’ve ever seen/heard the word lose used here before. They always always always use loose instead. Another one southerners love is using our or oar instead of or.
I remember driving through a Hispanic neighborhood and I saw a sign made of cardboard, and with a black marker was written: “llard sale!” instead of "yard sale."
Oh, and another one. I vs me. That is an irksome one. Funny, people use I because they think it's more proper because it sounds proper, but it's not!
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Another pet peeve..... when people do not use ANY punctuation. You can't tell if it's a statement or a question damn it !!!!!
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I've seen a lot spelling, punctuation and grammatical mistakes both online and off. Sometimes people are in a rush and don't care (such as taking notes in a classroom), but if you're writing something that people WILL see, then it makes sense to check it over.
I think a large part of society's overall carelessness is due to online activities. I can understand typing quickly with little-to-no regard for spelling or sentence structure in an online game (try typing anything in TF2 and you'll see what I mean), but that sometimes extends beyond the game.
Unfortunately, people tend to judge one another on superficial issues. This might change when getting to know someone better, but first impressions often arise from relatively minor details. If someone misspells every other word, other people may believe that individual is an idiot or at best, sloppy and careless.
In reality, that's nothing more than a bad case of confirmation bias. To be fair, we've all done it and will most likely do it again. We like confirming what we believe is true, regardless of the topic or situation at hand.
Even if you don't believe I'm right, it's unfair to make such sweeping generalizations about southerners (or any other group). I've seen plenty of spelling and grammatical mistakes from people in all different states and including Canada, which is an entirely separate country that's located in the north!
These mistakes are nothing more than carelessness and that problem isn't defined by regional, state, provincial or national lines. If it were, we could easily fix the problem.
Granted, that is a spelling mistake in English. However, if you're looking in a predominately Hispanic neighborhood, you have to expect to find Spanish spoken and written far more than English. The simple fact that the sign was even written in English at all is quite remarkable. That says whoever wrote it actually learned English to some degree.
I think a large part of society's overall carelessness is due to online activities. I can understand typing quickly with little-to-no regard for spelling or sentence structure in an online game (try typing anything in TF2 and you'll see what I mean), but that sometimes extends beyond the game.
Unfortunately, people tend to judge one another on superficial issues. This might change when getting to know someone better, but first impressions often arise from relatively minor details. If someone misspells every other word, other people may believe that individual is an idiot or at best, sloppy and careless.
Jules, I know you really dislike the south (that's easy to gleam from this post and other posts before it), but I believe you're LOOKING for evidence of poor spelling and grammar, while ignoring it when it's properly used. Once you see something misspelled or grammatically incorrect, you notice and say: "There it is! These stupid southerners can't spell or write worth a damn!"Jules wrote:Here in the south, people *know* they are wrong but don’t care to correct themselves. For example, coarse instead of course, and they use loose for lose. I don’t think I’ve ever seen/heard the word lose used here before. They always always always use loose instead. Another one southerners love is using our or oar instead of or.
In reality, that's nothing more than a bad case of confirmation bias. To be fair, we've all done it and will most likely do it again. We like confirming what we believe is true, regardless of the topic or situation at hand.
Even if you don't believe I'm right, it's unfair to make such sweeping generalizations about southerners (or any other group). I've seen plenty of spelling and grammatical mistakes from people in all different states and including Canada, which is an entirely separate country that's located in the north!
These mistakes are nothing more than carelessness and that problem isn't defined by regional, state, provincial or national lines. If it were, we could easily fix the problem.
If you saw that in a Hispanic neighborhood, they were probably combining Spanish and English. The letters "LL" make a similar sound to that of "Y" in English. It's possible that someone whose first language is Spanish might write "yard" like that, especially if they didn't know English well.Jules wrote:I remember driving through a Hispanic neighborhood and I saw a sign made of cardboard, and with a black marker was written: “llard sale!” instead of "yard sale."
Granted, that is a spelling mistake in English. However, if you're looking in a predominately Hispanic neighborhood, you have to expect to find Spanish spoken and written far more than English. The simple fact that the sign was even written in English at all is quite remarkable. That says whoever wrote it actually learned English to some degree.
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I don't usually "check" my spelling/grammar exactly... But I think since I have been involved in creative writing for what feels like ... eons now... I thankfully don't mistake the things like they're/there/their and such. But I do make spelling errors from time to time (hey, no one is perfect!). For example, forever and a day, I notoriously spelled grammar as "grammer"... No idea why that stuck for so long.
Of course, things like FIREFOX help. Because it kindly underlines when I type something incorrectly.
I utterly despise when people write - or even TEXT - "hey r u cuming over 2nite?"
Christ, is it so hard to just type it out? I get it if you're on Twitter and there's a 140 character limitation... but everywhere else... JUST TYPE IT OUT. PLEASE.
Of course the flip side to that is... I do things like ZOMG, OMG, WTF, etc...
So I guess it makes me a hypocrite to some degree.
Of course, things like FIREFOX help. Because it kindly underlines when I type something incorrectly.
I utterly despise when people write - or even TEXT - "hey r u cuming over 2nite?"
Christ, is it so hard to just type it out? I get it if you're on Twitter and there's a 140 character limitation... but everywhere else... JUST TYPE IT OUT. PLEASE.
Of course the flip side to that is... I do things like ZOMG, OMG, WTF, etc...
So I guess it makes me a hypocrite to some degree.
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Usually you can tell when someone makes mistakes due to ignorance, sloppiness, typos, a simple brain fart or because of struggling with English as a second language. I am more willing to be forgiving depending on the reason for the errors. Typos bother me less than other kinds of mistakes. I also will cut a lot of slack for someone to whom English is a second language and is not fully fluent. As Tawm noted, inline spell checkers like that in Firefox should catch most misspellings, even many typos. The things that annoy me the most are mixing homonyms and no punctuation.
We are all entitled to the occasional brain fart, but when someone is unwilling to break down a lengthy entry into logical paragraphs and phrases, I am unwilling to read what they have to say. Worst of all are the deliberate things, like use of texting shortcuts. I am with Tawm on this last one, though I am not too annoyed with internet standard acronyms, since it helps fill the gap made by non face-to-face communication.
We are all entitled to the occasional brain fart, but when someone is unwilling to break down a lengthy entry into logical paragraphs and phrases, I am unwilling to read what they have to say. Worst of all are the deliberate things, like use of texting shortcuts. I am with Tawm on this last one, though I am not too annoyed with internet standard acronyms, since it helps fill the gap made by non face-to-face communication.
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When a repetition is observed, over and over again, it's natural to stereotype, especially when you move to a totally different culture, way of living, way of eating, way of speaking, you naturally think that most do it the same way. (Believe me, moving from the north to the south was a huge culture shock.)
Yes, yes, yes, we all know not every southerner says that.. but.. I'm willing for southerners to prove me wrong, DPX!
Or should I say, "everyone who lived in the south for a substantial amount of time, except for DPX, says loose instead of lose!'
By the way, can I help that I'm biased to my stomping grounds? Not really.
Yes, yes, yes, we all know not every southerner says that.. but.. I'm willing for southerners to prove me wrong, DPX!
Or should I say, "everyone who lived in the south for a substantial amount of time, except for DPX, says loose instead of lose!'
By the way, can I help that I'm biased to my stomping grounds? Not really.
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Appropriate spelling and grammar online are fairly important to me. I expect people (including myself) to use a more casual writing style on a discussion forum or other online venues, but there really is no excuse not to spell or punctuate correctly (for the most part). I understand that sometimes people make typos or don't have English as a first language, but, if people make a number of mistakes consistently because they are simply too lazy to care, then I can't help but be a snob about it. They make themselves sound like a moron, whether they actually are or not. Maybe it's not fair, but I will think of them as morons, if they write like one.
I don't bother reading people's posts if they can't bother to use punctuation or break it up into actual paragraphs. I also hate it when people email like they text message. You don't get charged by the letter for emails, people. Certain abbreviations don't bother me, but when pretty much every word is abbreviated it gets to be a bit much.
I don't bother reading people's posts if they can't bother to use punctuation or break it up into actual paragraphs. I also hate it when people email like they text message. You don't get charged by the letter for emails, people. Certain abbreviations don't bother me, but when pretty much every word is abbreviated it gets to be a bit much.
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I can see why people sometimes use shorthand. Typing on a cell phone can be difficult. Unless your phone has a QWERTY keyboard built into it (and not all phones do), it's a struggle to type without any typos.
I've become really good at typing fast and accurately on my phone (a Blackberry Pearl 8130) even though it lacks a full QWERTY keyboard; however, I still make mistakes sometimes. Cell phones without a QWERTY keyboard often come with a feature called "SureType" which is supposed to learn what you type into it, so the next time you need to type that word, it recognizes it and puts it in automatically.
I've tried SureType and it's incredibly annoying. Apparently I'm supposed to type without looking at the screen. Does that make any sense to anyone here?
Instead, I use "MultiTap" which is simply tapping the phone keys to spell out words. It requires more attention to detail, but I don't get anywhere near as frustrated.
1. I'm not a southerner since Texas is not technically "in the south." Sure, it's in the southern part of the U.S., but it's not within the "deep south" and therefore, not truly considered a southern state.
Because my family is originally from New York, people in the south say I speak like a northerner and vice-versa. It's really quite funny.
2. I know moving to some place new can be a "culture shock" of sorts. I moved from Texas to Canada. Despite what some Americans (and even some Canadians) might think, there are quite a few startling differences between the two countries. I'd go into detail, but I'd rather not completely derail the original topic.
I've become really good at typing fast and accurately on my phone (a Blackberry Pearl 8130) even though it lacks a full QWERTY keyboard; however, I still make mistakes sometimes. Cell phones without a QWERTY keyboard often come with a feature called "SureType" which is supposed to learn what you type into it, so the next time you need to type that word, it recognizes it and puts it in automatically.
I've tried SureType and it's incredibly annoying. Apparently I'm supposed to type without looking at the screen. Does that make any sense to anyone here?
Instead, I use "MultiTap" which is simply tapping the phone keys to spell out words. It requires more attention to detail, but I don't get anywhere near as frustrated.
Two points:Jules wrote:When a repetition is observed, over and over again, it's natural to stereotype, especially when you move to a totally different culture, way of living, way of eating, way of speaking, you naturally think that most do it the same way. (Believe me, moving from the north to the south was a huge culture shock.)
Yes, yes, yes, we all know not every southerner says that.. but.. I'm willing for southerners to prove me wrong, DPX!
Or should I say, "everyone who lived in the south for a substantial amount of time, except for DPX, says loose instead of lose!'
By the way, can I help that I'm biased to my stomping grounds? Not really.
1. I'm not a southerner since Texas is not technically "in the south." Sure, it's in the southern part of the U.S., but it's not within the "deep south" and therefore, not truly considered a southern state.
Because my family is originally from New York, people in the south say I speak like a northerner and vice-versa. It's really quite funny.
2. I know moving to some place new can be a "culture shock" of sorts. I moved from Texas to Canada. Despite what some Americans (and even some Canadians) might think, there are quite a few startling differences between the two countries. I'd go into detail, but I'd rather not completely derail the original topic.
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Waitaminute. How is the state that is perhaps the furthest south - not considered a "Southern State" and not considered "Deep South." I don't think any state reaches further south THAN Texas, with the exception of PERHAPS Florida.DeadPoolX wrote: 1. I'm not a southerner since Texas is not technically "in the south." Sure, it's in the southern part of the U.S., but it's not within the "deep south" and therefore, not truly considered a southern state.
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Err... I'm not up to code on my US geography, not being an American and all, but I thought that both Georgia and Alabama were further south than Texas? *blush* Please pardon me for being a silly furriner.
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Looks like Texas is the southernmost state but is considered a Western state, not a Southern one.
http://www.50states.com/us.htm
http://www.50states.com/us.htm