Tawmis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:03 am
RE: War of Rohirrim
DonaldDuckCo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:24 am
I saw it. I am more excited to see Sonic 3 movie today.
But War of Rohirrim is at best, okay if you ignore Tolkien. Which makes it slightly worse since Tolkien is just a good story teller. But from my personal view on the movie. Its at best a guilty pleasure that one might see on TV at best. But i can say this, its atleast better than "Rings of Power" tv series, it atleast wasnt that bad. But yeah its not Tolkien thats the issue only.
When it comes to anime. I tend to rate "Bleach" series very high. Easy to get into, and its not too extreme.
You're right, it's not Tolkien, because he's been deceased for quite some time.
True, of course. But I don't think that's the issue; the issue is that Tolkien
gave us the source material for the Second Age (Silmarillion), and "Héra" (the heroine of the film) more or less replaced Haleth and Háma, the sons of Helm Hammerhand - to whom she was a sister (but the Silmarillion says nothing about her).
That's the second time in as many movies (first the Hobbit, now this...) that a female heroine is basically invented out of nothing.
Please let me clarify: I have nothing whatsoever against female leads. I was sorry for Liv Tyler and Miranda Otto when the original LOTR films were made, because in the books, both Arwen and Eowyn did many more heroic films than in the films. (IIRC, in the books Arwen even showed up at the Siege of the Hornburg). But the movies cut those scenes out. I've no idea why. It would've been great to see them get more screen time.
So, more power to women as lead characters, in LOTR and other films. That's what I say!
But when one character (especially one invented out of nothing) replaces one that was already part of the canon...? I don't understand why. Were the film-makers afraid to let the three siblings (Héra, Haleth and Háma) SHARE the screentime, as Karl Urban and Miranda Otto (Eomer and Eowyn) did in the LOTR films? Or were they afraid that the viewing public, who haven't read the Silmarillion, would roll their eyes and say "Sure, sure, here we go again - another Eomer/Eowyn story?"
Keeping the three characters (and giving them equal share) would have made the story richer. The story could do more with three siblings - cooperate with each other, go against each other, tease each other as siblings do, etc.
Alternatively, Helm Hammerhand could also have had more to do as a father; whether it would've been telling his sons to let their sister have her moment, or whatever, it would've been something.
As things stand, Helm's sons hardly shows up in the film, which is a shame. We could (for instance) have seen more from the book, e.g. Haleth defending Edoras and dying on the steps of Meduseld (which would've been better than dying in a generic battle), or Háma and Helm fleeing to Helm's Deep, where Helm might have sought to repent his folly and seek redemption in battle ... I don't know.
BTW, Háma didn't die "in front of Helm's eyes", as in the film; he volunteered to lead an expedition to secure supplies, went out in a snow storm, and was lost). To me, that increases the tension; Helm and the audience are waiting and wondering inside the fortress, not knowing what happened to his son. Maybe a survivor struggles inside to tell him and us? It would definitely be a good tragic scene.
I mean, the film is fine for what it is, but it could be better ... and that's my opinion, for what it's worth. *blush*

What do you think?
Tawmis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:03 am
There is no movie that I can think of that is 100% accurate to the source material.
Agreed.

No movie CAN be 100% accurate to the source material; movies and books (or movies and theatre plays, or ... etc.) are very different media.
- A book can be as long or short as the author wants it to be. The author has complete control: the plan of the story can be changed as needed, etc.
- A film has to keep to a certain length (roughly 2 hours is normal). Changes have to be made, especially if the book is long.
There's lots of other differences for sure, but those are the most important ones.
