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Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:18 pm
Tawmis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:40 am
Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:53 am
Tawmis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:58 am You need to watch He-Man. And you will learn about Teela ... [and] the Sorceress ... [and] Evil-Lyn...
Um, yes. I touched on those in "d", didn't I? i.e.: d. Priestess, Sorceress, or Guard Captain. Extremely powerful. Helps He-Man. ;)
Yes - but the way you said it - "Why does the "He-Man" series (and many others) have no roles for women, other than:"
What roles do you want in addition to those you listed?
Er, sorry; I wasn't trying to be a SJW or anything like that! :) I only pointed out that, in cartoons and comics (and also in live-action films), women (and men) are often kings or nobility, or heroes/heroines of various types (which I labelled a, b, c, d). But you rarely see women (or men) doing normal everyday things, like peasants or merchants, unless they're there to be kidnapped, killed or robbed. ;)
Because rarely are stories about peasants - especially cartoons - going to be "interesting."
In this episode, Jacob goes fishing. But doesn't catch any fish. Poor Jacob!
That should hook kids!

The only time peasant stories are going to be "interesting" is when the peasant turns out to be much more than they appear.
Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:18 pm Of course I understand comics and cartoons are geared for kids. If the Main Character was a peasant ("hey-ho, I'm off to chop wood") or a merchant ("hi-de-hi! I'm off to the market!"), it would bore the pants off the kids. ;) But how about a peasant (or a merchant etc.) who becomes a hero in spite of not being very brave or strong etc.? ;)
I am pretty sure that exists - that's a pretty common trope - a nobody who becomes a somebody.
Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:18 pm Of the top of my head, I can't think of any books like that -- other than Tolkien, of course. (And some Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams, J. K. Rowling ... the Reluctant Hero). ;) But I guess that's not for kids - at least, not the same age bracket as He-Man?
Original He-Man, Harry Potter is probably the same age bracket.
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OK, no problem. Thanks for explaining, Tawm! :)

Just one question: when I said, "how about a peasant (or a merchant etc.) who becomes a hero in spite of not being very brave or strong etc.?" ;)

...and you replied: "I am pretty sure that exists - that's a pretty common trope - a nobody who becomes a somebody..."

Well, how about a peasant/merchant/etc. who helps out and becomes a hero in spite of this not being his 'job description'? ;) You know -- every so often, he will try to chicken out and go back to being a peasant/merchant. "This wasn't part of the deal!" :)

But either his conscience won't let him, or other people won't ... and gradually, he realises that he likes his new life ... but in the end, he goes back to being a peasant/merchant/etc. ;)

Hang on a minute -- did I just describe Bilbo Baggins? :lol:
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Okay, there's a lot here to address, so instead of directly replying by quoting, I'll just talk about the issues raised.

MoTU Setting:
The thing to remember about Eternia and the whole MoTU setting is that it was designed, first and foremost, to sell toys (like most cartoons in the 1980s). The best way to do this is to make sure you not only have plenty of action figures (who seem different enough to get kids to bug their parents to buy each new figure), but also provide a lot of vehicles and other settings. I believe this is the primary reason for the mixed fantasy/sci-fi setting.

It's also a bit disingenuous to see fantasy and science fiction as completely different entities. Sure, they seem like that on the surface, but there's a lot of properties that mix elements of the two, the most famous probably being Star Wars. A lot of people lump SW in with sci-fi, but it's really fantasy in sci-fi clothing.

Original Setting (i.e. the little comics that came with the toys):
I recall being very confused about this as a kid. I watched the cartoon every day and knew the characters quite well, but then these little comics presented a very different story. Like Tawmis said, He-Man was originally a Conan-like barbarian and had no relation to the monarchy of Eternia.

Also, he used an axe a lot (which is why there was an axe packaged with the toy) which he never used in the cartoon and his sword was given to him by the Sorceress of Grayskull (like the cartoon), but there was one huge difference between the sword in the cartoon and comics: Skeletor also had a sword in the comics, whereas he only had a staff (in the 1980s version; he did use a sword at times in the 2000s remake). The interesting thing, and I'm sure this was a marketing gimmick, is that Skeletor's sword was purple (as opposed to He-Man's gray) and both of their swords fit together to create one sword. It was weird.

Public Service Announcements:
MoTU had a lot of those PSAs after the cartoon (which were cheesy), but at least they had some relevance to the episode. In contrast, GI JOE's PSAs were wildly erratic and rarely had anything to with the episode's content at all. Plus, the GI JOE soldiers had no respect for laws, because they'd suddenly appear in some kid's house telling them to not drink bleach or something equally moronic. Then again, some kids a few years ago did try eating Tide Pods, so maybe the creators of GI JOE were on to something...

MoTU (Roles for Women):
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was primarily a cartoon aimed at young boys, and as such, female roles took a backseat. The reverse was true for She-Ra: Princess of Power (the 1980s version, not the SJW disaster that's on Netflix) where almost all the characters were female.

If you think about it, MoTU was quite progressive for its day because a lot of women held high positions of authority and were seen as extremely competent. Teela was the Captain of the Guard (although it didn't seem like the castle had many guards...), the Sorceress was an incredibly powerful magic user who kept order and could even shapeshift, and Queen Marlena wasn't just a royal-by-marriage, she was also an Earth astronaut and skilled pilot.

Secret Identities:
I really don't think the whole secret identity thing was necessary. Like Notbobsmith said, his parents were the King and Queen of Eternia, so being targets was par for the course. Anyone who lived in the palace would also have to realize that you're taking a risk by being there, but presumably also had the best security as well.

The real reason to keep people thinking Prince Adam and He-Man were two different people was to provide conflict and drama that didn't involve combat. I also believe that because so many superheroes did this, the creators of MoTU simply thought "this is how it's done" and didn't bother to consider anything else.

Interestingly enough, there are at least a couple of episodes where Prince Adam's mother, Queen Marlena, hints at knowing her son and He-Man are the same person. In contrast, Prince Adam's father, King Randor (who bears a strikingly resemblance to the Burger King mascot) didn't have a clue.

Reusing Animation:
Filmation (the studio behind the MoTU cartoon) reused a LOT of animation, but there's a good reason for that. Hand-drawn animation is an extremely laborious process that takes months. If you can save a little time and money by reusing animation for parts that don't need unique animation (such as a character getting up or rolling on the ground), it's considered good practice to do so, especially since the intended audience likely wouldn't notice.

Big animation studios did this as well. Disney, for instance, reused a lot of animation as guidelines. So if a company like Disney, which had a ton of money and manpower to throw behind each animated film needed to do this, you can bet a small studio like Filmation would do the same when creating a weekday afternoon cartoon designed to sell toys.
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All correct. Also, people should watch the Toys that Made Us (the He-Man episode). Might be someone you know on there. ;)
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Tawmis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:22 am All correct. Also, people should watch the Toys that Made Us (the He-Man episode). Might be someone you know on there. ;)
Maia and I did watch that a while ago, but we don't recall seeing you. Might have to re-watch it.

There's also a much longer documentary (about 95 minutes or so) on the whole MoTU line (which includes She-Ra, the He-Man movie, the sci-fi He-Man sequel cartoon that bombed, and the reboot in the early 2000s, etc.) on Netflix called Power of Grayskull: The Definitive History of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. We keep meaning to watch it, but just never do.
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DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:37 pm
Tawmis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:22 am All correct. Also, people should watch the Toys that Made Us (the He-Man episode). Might be someone you know on there. ;)
Maia and I did watch that a while ago, but we don't recall seeing you. Might have to re-watch it.
Don't rewatch it just to spot me. I am in there for about 3 to 5 seconds, posing between a man and a woman (who played He-Man and She-Ra during the Stadium tour back in the 80s). :)

DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:37 pm There's also a much longer documentary (about 95 minutes or so) on the whole Masters of the Universe line on Netflix called Power of Grayskull: The Definitive History of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. We keep meaning to watch it, but just never do.
It's pretty good. Has a lot of what's mentioned in Toys that Made Us, that it expands upon.
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Even as a kid (and I was very young at the time MoTU came out), Skeletor confused me because his face looked like a skeleton, but his body was that of a muscular blue humanoid. There was no indication his skeletal face was a mask (like it was in General Kael's case in Willow), so I couldn't wrap my head around how someone could be part skeleton and part not.

I know the 2000s reboot tried to expand on this and gave Skeletor a more interesting and in-depth background (he was King Randor's half-brother, Keldor, and his skeletal face was due to a vial of acid being tossed at Randor, who then reflected it with his shield), but despite knowing the reason WHY he had that skeletal face, it still didn't tell us how he survived it. Then again, maybe I should stop looking for any semblance of real world logic in a cartoon.

I actually liked the 2000s reboot and how it changed the characters' personalities and backgrounds (mildly in most cases, but a few were more drastic, like Queen Marlena, who in this version was Eternian and had never been an astronaut from Earth), and also their outfits. They finally got rid of Prince Adam's pink and purple clothing! I really liked the way Teela looked in this version, but despite being more visually pleasing, having a long ponytail would've been a hazard in combat. That said, her armor actually looked like armor and not a 1940s swimsuit.

Unfortunately, the 2000s remake was cancelled because it failed to sell toys. The whole "let's make a cartoon just to sell toys" idea hadn't been successful in a long time at that point, so trying it shows that the showrunners were out-of-touch with the intended demographic, especially since they aimed this cartoon at older kids and teens.
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DeadPoolX wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:04 pm Even as a kid (and I was very young at the time MoTU came out), Skeletor confused me because his face looked like a skeleton, but his body was that of a muscular blue humanoid. There was no indication his skeletal face was a mask (like it was in General Kael's case in Willow), so I couldn't wrap my head around how someone could be part skeleton and part not.
I know the 2000s reboot tried to expand on this and gave Skeletor a more interesting and in-depth background (he was King Randor's half-brother, Keldor, and his skeletal face was due to a vial of acid being tossed at Randor, who then reflected it with his shield), but despite knowing the reason WHY he had that skeletal face, it still didn't tell us how he survived it. Then again, maybe I should stop looking for any semblance of real world logic in a cartoon.
I actually liked the 2000s reboot and how it changed the characters' personalities and backgrounds (mildly in most cases, but a few were more drastic, like Queen Marlena, who in this version was Eternian and had never been an astronaut from Earth), and also their outfits. They finally got rid of Prince Adam's pink and purple clothing! I really liked the way Teela looked in this version, but despite being more visually pleasing, having a long ponytail would've been a hazard in combat. That said, her armor actually looked like armor and not a 1940s swimsuit.
Unfortunately, the 2000s remake was cancelled because it failed to sell toys. The whole "let's make a cartoon just to sell toys" idea hadn't been successful in a long time at that point, so trying it shows that the showrunners were out-of-touch with the intended demographic, especially since they aimed this cartoon at older kids and teens.
I liked it too! The whole thing with Skeletor and Keldor seems to now be the official cannon. They expanded on that story in the Masters of the Universe comics from DC (last year... year before?.... time is a blur), which was really, really, really, really good. (Just don't get the Multiverse one that they eventually did.... they tried to be funny and include every iteration of He-Man including from Mobile games... that was a train wreck in my eyes). But yeah - the Skeletor origin seems to officially follow the 2000 storyline, because they also released exclusive (Target) two pack of Skeletor and said person in the new ORIGINS toy figure release they're doing now.
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Finished this today (only 5 episodes) - and it's AMAZE-BALLS!
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I also saw it and it was pretty enjoyable.
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notbobsmith wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:29 pm I also saw it and it was pretty enjoyable.
Right? I love the animation!
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The animation was good and they got an A-list voice cast. I think they did a good job adapting an admittedly silly '80s cartoon (most powerful man in the universe... who isn't allowed to punch people) for modern audiences without going too over the top to make it "edgy".
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notbobsmith wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:05 am ...most powerful man in the universe... who isn't allowed to punch people...
Hold on, what?! :shock: Granted, I haven't seen He-Man before. But what in what possible part of the multiverse would that even work? ;)

That gives me a funny mental image. If this was the real world, here's how it would end:

(Skeletor sends his most puny goblin to tickle He-Man)

He-Man: (giggle) Quit it!
Goblin: (tickle)
He-Man: I said, quit it!
Goblin: (tickle)
He-Man: Quit it quit it quit it quit it moooooooooooooooooooooooom!!!
He-Man's Mom Solve your own problems, dear. Most powerful man in the world, remember?
Goblin: (tickles He-Man to death) :P

Or, a more realistic (if slightly melodramatic) example ...

(Skeletor and his army have invaded the realm!!! :shock: They are thumping people left, right and centre!!!) :shock:

Skeletor: (thump-thumpety-thump) MOO-HA-HA! I am the Thumpinator! And He-Man can't do anything about it!!!

He-Man: Wanna guess? (draws sword) BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!!! (becomes He-Man ... but still not allowed to hit Skeletor)

Skeletor: Yeah? And then what?

He-Man: (sheepish) ... and that's it.

Skeletor: Fine. (stomps on He-Man; stomp-stomppety-stomp) :P Ha-ha! He-Man is DEAD! And now I rule the realm! MOO-HA-HA-HA-HA! :twisted: ;)

(King & Queen get on the phone to Coruscant).

King: (desperate) Hello? Hello, Jedi Council, hello? Emergency! Emergency!

Phone: You have reached the Jedi Council. We are out to lunch. Please leave your message after the b--

(Skeletor's catapults reduce the castle to rubble, Skeletor's sword cuts through the phone line; Skeletor drops sword, picks up King in one hand, Queen in the other) :twisted:

Skeletor: Any last words, Your Majesties? (doesn't wait to hear them) Forget it. Why am I even talking to you? (drop-kicks both of them into next week's episode) Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha, etc.! :twisted:

... Sorry ... ;)
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Rath Darkblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:58 am
notbobsmith wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:05 am ...most powerful man in the universe... who isn't allowed to punch people...
Hold on, what?! :shock: Granted, I haven't seen He-Man before. But what in what possible part of the multiverse would that even work? ;)
Children's programming wasn't regulated by the government or anything, but there was self-censorship on the part of the studios which had departments called Standards and Practices to restrict what is shown, mostly to prevent any parents groups from complaining. A big concern was "imitable behavior", so no hitting. They wanted to avoid situations like: "By the Power of Grayskull! Now I'm going to beat you up, Skeletor!" "Ow! MOOOOOMMMM! Jimmy hit me!" So episodes often consist of He-Man destroying the MacGuffin of the week and Skeletor running off saying "Curse you, He-Man!"
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notbobsmith wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:03 pm Children's programming wasn't regulated by the government or anything, but there was self-censorship on the part of the studios which had departments called Standards and Practices to restrict what is shown, mostly to prevent any parents groups from complaining. A big concern was "imitable behavior", so no hitting. They wanted to avoid situations like: "By the Power of Grayskull! Now I'm going to beat you up, Skeletor!" "Ow! MOOOOOMMMM! Jimmy hit me!" So episodes often consist of He-Man destroying the MacGuffin of the week and Skeletor running off saying "Curse you, He-Man!"
It's true. That's exactly why. He-Man (the original cartoon), was meant to sell toys. The story and all of that, was in truth, pretty much second to "How do we sell this?"
If you watch the He-Man episode of the Toys that Made Us - they guy even lied when he said, "Oh, we're working on a cartoon right now" when they were trying to push Mattel (I believe it was) to pick up the toy line, when in fact they were not.
And then had to quickly rush and come up with an idea, which is largely why the mini comics (which show He-Man more of a barbarian) that came with the toys, varied greatly from the He-Man that made it to the cartoons.
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